Cards, whiskey, and two guns

[irbis]

In fact, here's the CC - WMZ topic for you.

People come to carding for different reasons, with different levels of knowledge, at different ages.

I'll tell you a story based on very old songs about carders, where they make money and party, having fun. Partying under the flag of fraud! Nowadays, a carder must be able to do everything. As one song says, "...and I've seen everything, I'm no longer an amateur in this topic..." But experience doesn't come immediately, but gradually, with new acquaintances, new topics... At different periods in life, your social circle changes, and sometimes this can be useful for a carder's work. Rarely does someone immediately come and start cleaning out the bank accounts. It usually starts with CCs, simple hit. Clothing (in those days, clothes and rags were generally unimportant; you could buy a US CC for 2 bucks, card it in a German shop, and drive a couple of boxes of leather jackets straight to the CIS). The buyers only sell electronics, Chinese electronics, and not everyone bought them. Then there are various, more complex issues with banks, payment systems, and draining without physical contact (clothes, drops, mail, then resell this stuff). One of the areas was poker!

Classic carding: cash out CC... through poker... + cash out bonds. In our CC-WMZ scheme, the Team: Admin + Main Player + Main Player's Assistant + 1-2 additional players.

There are all kinds of people in carding: intellectuals, businessmen, just kids, random strangers, youngsters... youngsters who became pros... and so on.

The admin knew someone remotely. But at some point, they began to communicate closely, and it turned out he was an avid poker player. He wasn't exactly a super pro, but he was winning in local tournaments. He was a good live poker player. And he tried online. BUT! These are two different experiences. Online, you don't see the player. You're more concerned with their cards and their behavior! Whereas live, you also read the player. He tried free tournaments, and at popular poker rooms (at the time), he also won all the prizes. He also tried, depositing real money, and saw some successes with it.
That's how a starting team is born.

Admin: responsible for materials (bonus, CC, card accounts, etc.), training, databases, servers (dedicated servers), socks, payment systems, verification, fund turnover + admin work.

Main player: works with materials, drains carding and bonuses, trains and improves his knowledge, selects additional players and trains them.

Assistant of the main player: right-hand man, works with him almost all the time, helps, learns, plays hands, pumps up accounts.

The rest don't count. They tried playing... left... came...

The main work was done on the iPoker grid. All the poker rooms described here are mainly from there. There were others. But the essence is the same!

The beginning! BONUSES
You can call this the first stage. The first "blat hut".

The admin found a thread on how to glue bonds yourself. I can't say exactly which poker room it was. If I'm not mistaken, it was Betfair.

The method was simple:
Take a clean Firefox browser and clone it into several copies. A separate sock is inserted into each one, even free ones were accepted, just for England. A poker room is opened using a promo link for 5 pounds. You enter a fake email, a fake made-up address (later they started looking for real ones), and you are given an account with bonus money. Then two such accounts enter roulette, one on red, the other on black. One is minus, the other is 10. And so on. Then 10 more play with 10... 20 with 20... and a bonus is glued together*

*Bonus is a bonus account. Played, lost, merged, promotional promotions, and so on. The money for them was given by the casino. Such accounts. Or rather, the money for them is under supervision and its movement in the system is controlled.

And so, in a couple of hours a day, an account for 300 pounds was glued together. A couple of accounts were created before lunch... and after lunch they started to lose.

To get the action going on local boards, he rents an apartment with a decent view, plus there's a club nearby where it's easy to pick up a girl... awesome...

The main player can't cope and hires an assistant, whom he trains.

But bonus accounts need to be drained. That's where the difficulty lies. The admin was initially given a simple scheme for draining, but then he had to find the right methods himself!

The main player trains the assistant to register bonuses and drain them more or less correctly. But he also learns himself. They buy him training on popular poker sites. He completes Level 3 training. He passes the exam with flying colors. He receives rewards and a starting bonus of a couple hundred dollars as one of the top students. This gives him the skill to try to find schemes for draining bonuses, and then carding accounts. He's conducted several such training sessions, plus constant work and playing with real money, with real players for good amounts, also improves his skill in the game.

"Blat Hut" has a strict order on weekdays. From morning until night, two players rack up bonuses and lose them, the admin sends the necessary materials, withdrawal accounts. He cashes out and brings the cash. On weekends, everyone does their own thing. Of course, there's a contract... a working apartment, no chicks or parties. But he's young + easy money... Of course, the rules were broken.

On Fridays and/or Saturdays, if there wasn't an important game, the admin and the main player would pick up chicks at the club... whiskey, weed, poker, sex... Although, even during important games, they would have parties... and the best part is, they often won!

They didn't play much. Accounts were banned, losses were discovered. Not everything went smoothly. Later, it became more difficult to make bonuses. The approach to work was wrong + Parties, chicks, drinking, smoking... courage...
The topic is dying. We're renting out the apartment.

Some time passes. Reflection, + work in other areas... but poker is being studied in parallel. The main player regularly plays in tournaments, takes prizes. Overall, you could say fair poker feeds him, albeit with varying success. Experience with bonuses + training has increased his skill!

Carging + bonuses.
Stage 2. Apartment = base. A serious approach, no drugs, minimal alcohol. Everyone gets a steady girlfriend or mistress, no debauchery. No parties!!

The scheme is almost the same!
BUT! Bonuses are simply purchased for a % of your balance. Card accounts are also mostly purchased, but sometimes created manually. Nothing complicated! CCs in poker are a blast! Dedic, downloaded the poker room, registered, and hit CCs!

Friends are making acquaintances, and drain threads are also being bought, and the threads are working ones. But over time, themes die out, and it's like before: either buy a new scheme or find one yourself. Then a player from the team found and developed his own schemes for draining hands.

The difficulty was that bonus money is marked and monitored. Carding is a little easier, but it also has its own challenges. You can't just sit down and lose to yourself. The anti-fraud system will catch you.

To put it very briefly, since I'm not a player: a carded/bonus account is a supplementary account. You enter several of your own hands at one table, your job is to keep the main ones winning against real players, add a little to yourself, and try to clearly play along with/drain the cash of a real opponent to deflect suspicion.

We looked at different setups and approaches. Tournaments, rooms, different tables, cash games... all kinds of things...

This time, the approach was serious.

The admin registers withdrawal accounts, each with several payment systems for cashing out. Each account has its own clean dedicated server.

An example of one of the withdrawal accounts.

An accounting spreadsheet is being created.

The first version of the spreadsheet! Later, there were expanded versions, covering 3-4 pages in Google Sheets for general access. More extensive calculations, more poker accounts and more payment systems, more bonus calculations, separate carding, income and expenses, deposited bonuses and carding, statistics on losses, win percentages, and tournament winnings as net income. The system was very simple: players received accounts every day, entered the amounts of carded/bonus accounts, the balance at the beginning of the day, the balance at the end of the day, and the account balance. Each team member's win percentage was automatically calculated. Players could see their performance and statistics, and compete against each other to see who lost the most (in %) and who won the most net tournaments. The spreadsheets were built using simple Excel formulas. It's a pity the full tables haven't been saved only the first test version for WMZ was found.

So the admin automated the work: he bought a lot of documents and created automatic tables. When a withdrawal account died: document – dedicated server – payment system registration – poker room (registration and verification) – net deposit – entered into the table = players work.
In the evening, players order the number of carded/bonus accounts for the next morning. Every morning, the provider automatically sends the ordered number of accounts to the main player. The main player entered the data into the table, distributed the accounts, and work began. In the evening, he entered the data. And a new account order for tomorrow. At the end of the week, there's a summary table for each working day, automatic calculations in the table, just log in and see who gets how much in $.
The admin gets paid and hands out cash.

The main player and assistant are also sitting in a new apartment. Luxury. Air conditioning, lots of soft furniture... They lounge around with laptops, eat pizza, drink Coca-Cola, and spend all day playing their accounts. In the evenings, they take their laptops home and use their withdrawal accounts in tournaments to maximize their profits, which sometimes brings in almost more than just cashout carded accs and bonuses. The work apartment is in order! Well... the admin has quietly taken one mistress a couple of times... so no one would know... but the place is empty in the evenings anyway... It's not like it used to be a party place

I can't describe the specific scheme for losing money as I'm not a player, as I described above. The point is, the approach and methodology simply changed slightly. In some places, it's just gaming rooms, in others, tables were opened, and the players came up with something themselves! They didn't buy anything!

Scheme: A clean account. Plays clean for a couple of days. Different tables, different tournaments. Each account tries to change the behavior of the game and the room. After a few days, people start carding/bonusing at the tables. And then the draining, filling, overflowing, flooding, and spilling begins. It can all be imagined like a washing machine spinning. Everything is mixed up. Clean, dirty, spinning, spinning, and being kicked out. Banned, and the process starts all over again! Some kicked-out accounts lasted a week. Others a month. You never know!

When the thread started dying, the admin was careful to tell his providers of carded/bonus accounts about the tables where his players were losing those accounts. That was a mistake. The thread his players had found, which had been feeding them for months, was torn down in a week. The account providers themselves run the same way, only they have their own teams and more material, and these teams swoop in and kill a thread in weeks. Moral of the story: keep your mouth shut! Your threads are your bread and butter! But overall, this was already at the end of my work on the poker topic, so consider this a thank you for the quality material!!!

I'll also talk about the grid and cashout systems.

iPoker grid. Main rooms: William Hill, Titan Poker, Bet365, Betfair Poker, PaddyPower Poker.
The advantage of grids is that they allow for different accounts. They can be in different rooms but play at the same table.

William Hill – They allowed withdrawals well. I even withdrew cash, and my account was immediately banned! My favorite!

Titan Poker – A William Poker analogue, also a main one.

Bet365 – It was a bit more difficult to create a withdrawal account and cash out, but they also allowed withdrawals well!

Betfair Poker – I used it sometimes. I shaved my accounts more often!

PaddyPower Poker – A bit better than Betfair. I also used it sometimes!

There were other rooms and networks, too, like 888 and so on.

Among payment systems, I liked the first two because they allowed WebMoney to work in the CIS.
Bet365 officially didn't allow registration in the CIS, but unofficially, you could! And for payments, I used Netellet or Skrill. In general, rooms really like these two systems. But the first two worked well with WebMoney, too.

No need to talk about cashing out WMZ. Skrill was rarely used – we exchanged it through manual exchangers. Neteller also used manual exchangers or sent the card to a drop address and had it loaded directly at the ATM.

The card was from Neteller. They provided a fake drop address and picked up the card from the mailbox without any problems. Go withdraw cash from the ATM. But no matter what, they still siphoned off the carding, so please remember to exercise caution when using an ATM and withdrawing such funds!!!

Those were fun times! We didn't make much money the first time! It was just a bit of a kid's carding game. Cards, whiskey, and two guns. The second approach was more serious and responsible. It brought profit and provided start-up capital for other, more serious endeavors! And most importantly, experience!

After that, kid's carding game ended... the era of banks arrived, with different things to do, completely different bank balances, and, of course, a different way of life!